senator john mccain says, i often wonder how much lower the russian government under president putin can stoop over to punish babies and children over a political disagreement between our governments is a new low, even for putin's russia. and a similar ban was enacted but later dropped and he joins me now. this must bring back horrible heartbreaking memories for you having been through something similar. you knew your boys? >> i did. i did. and like elise said, this is a very sad day. it takes me back to 12 years ago when president putin put a severe similar moratorium on adoptions when i was in the middle of it. >> and so i know that you still advocate and are involved in the community of american parents who adopt russian children. have you talked to current families who have some children that -- >> i stay in close contact with the center for national adoption and i know they are working very, very hard on behalf of these kids but my heart really goes out to these families. at this time of year especially, i can't believe we're standing here talking about this yet again. when we t